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Smoking_Aces 发表于 2010-5-11 04:42

几手shove，有好有坏，你们怎么玩？

1.这个对手raise every button,我也3-bet 他的每一个button raise, 但他从来不fold, 我打了4 条街，他玩的好，转牌没有
Hk e)LPb.x)T raise 我。我想这手牌玩的过aggressive ，其实preflop 我很多时候fold , heads up 我通常在 转牌也会放弃。这手你们怎么玩？ kW4jt"o1D
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[color=red]BTN/SB raises to $3.40[/color], [color=red]Hero raises to $10.60[/color], BTN/SB calls $7.20
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[b]Flop:[/b] ($21.60) 6[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif[/img] T[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif[/img] [color=blue](2 players)[/color]B9J&F/S*cE^*_
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[b]Turn:[/b] ($59.60) T[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif[/img] [color=blue](2 players)[/color]n;VZNpN
[color=red]Hero bets $40[/color], BTN/SB calls $409rd5xPw%{,f
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[b]River:[/b] ($139.60) 6[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif[/img] [color=blue](2 players)[/color]
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2.同一个对手，转牌决定shove 他，感觉他是 single spade ace bluff, 我把他 seond nuts. or sets打跑了吗 ? 你们觉得他是啥牌呢 ？
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BB: $290.50
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PnX,Jk CsUwP!Z [b]CO: $465.75[/b]WZ8s cS8y}
[b]Hero (BTN): $271.40[/b]
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[b]Pre Flop:[/b] ($2.50) Hero is BTN with 4[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif[/img] 3[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif[/img]'eQ/a&w/k
[color=red]UTG raises to $4.50[/color], [color=red]CO raises to $16[/color], Hero calls $16, [i]2 folds[/i], UTG calls $11.50
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[b]Flop:[/b] ($50.50) 3[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif[/img] T[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif[/img] [color=blue](3 players)[/color]-sl({|?6kW&ofK%N
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3.这个对手玩26.5/8.5,（ 我是打完才看的，通常我不会玩的时候放个hud,眼花，数据少，反而让人分神。）我在翻牌被他加注pot,
3ip@ b@S } 我想了很久没有shove,turn is nice card for me to shove 如果他真有3个qq, 他想到短线才fold, 我真觉得他fold了3个Q,3g j2p;ls
你们觉得呢。？
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BTN: $260.90
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[b]Hero (BB): $323.80[/b];TR
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[i]1 fold[/i], CO calls $1, [i]1 fold[/i], [color=red]SB raises to $5[/color], [color=red]Hero raises to $11[/color], CO calls $10, SB calls $6
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[b]Flop:[/b] ($34.00) Q[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/club.gif[/img] [color=blue](3 players)[/color]
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[b]Final Pot:[/b] $214.00"zxL$k{XN1D
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4. pure bluff,  我River不出花肯定下注的如果你转牌你是flush draw, 会不会跟？/AQL1nsC+J

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BB: $325.50] L:cht5i)f
[b]UTG: $530.50[/b]
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CO: $386.705g!lUdz!?7D(q(P
[b]Hero (BTN): $287.80[/b]
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[b]Flop:[/b] ($30.00) 4[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]http://static.deucescracked.com/images/spade.gif[/img] [color=blue](2 players)[/color]U G'{!T,Qn
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[color=red]UTG bets $24[/color], [color=red]Hero raises to $104[/color], UTG folds
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[2A!yY/iz [b]Final Pot:[/b] $110.00F2|$b3cY;Bw
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[[i] 本帖最后由 Smoking_Aces 于 2010-5-11 05:01 编辑 [/i]]

zf187922 发表于 2010-5-11 11:19

第一手牌我不建议RERAISE。这种牌发展潜力太小，在flop很难处理。如果是34QQ,或者是35QQ，我会考虑RERAISE.后面的我就不说了。感觉似乎有点过分的BLUFF。HEHE.v4a|&EonV
第二手牌在我看来应该在PREFLOP前FLOLD.A334并不值得花16个BB看flop，至少我是这么认为。这手牌高牌的牌力太差。如果有200BB,我愿意花5个BB看。B4y!Pg'PE rZ`)d6J
第三手牌我不感觉对手有QQ,也许是两对什么的。我建议在FLOPshove，因为你的位置不好。在TURN上出来的A,你shove，对手有，自然跟，没有，自然不跟。

]*YGL Z4lb4]O/{ 第四手，可以这么BLUFF，但是不要经常使用。偶尔用一下就可以了。感觉TURN上的104有点多，80就足够了。

Smoking_Aces 发表于 2010-5-11 11:59

thanks for reply

blugger 发表于 2010-5-14 09:46

同意2楼意见。m*]"\3D&S*Q~wZ S
另外是不是short hand的缘故，我觉得楼主的起手range wide，而且比较aggressive。

Smoking_Aces 发表于 2010-5-24 16:57

第3手牌在他加注到90的时候我觉得他很像是top set, 他是flat call , 然后跟3bet before flop  , 所以他的range 可能会是 qq24, qq109 类似的牌，转牌他想了很久才fold , 也许他认定我中了顺子，所以觉得这个时候set queen就是很劣势的牌，不过他已经进了100bb, 只需要跟多200bb来看河牌，再加上我在转牌是有可能two pair +draw 的shove ,如果 他fold 掉qq 还是玩的不好，因为他balance 一下我的shove range, 只有我中顺子他是低于20％，其它任何组合他都是优势，fold qq was a bad decision

地平线 发表于 2010-5-27 09:33

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simba601 发表于 2010-6-20 21:22

楼主打得不错。。。但是这样的打法波动太大了。。。。个人不建议把NL里的思路放到omh里来

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